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A terrace to show people from out of town. Occasional big-name DJ bookings. Thursday ladies night with free manicures. Perhaps the strictest dress code in Shanghai, and sharks in tanks. Latin lounge and club vibes on The Bund. Tuesday salsa nights with free mojitos. Occasionally some great, left-field DJ bookings for jazzy hip hop, funk and house. Other Places with Dance Floors 1. Consistently packed and sleazy, with spring break oblivion vibes and lots of business dudes.
Small, hip arcade-themed lounge with underground DJs spinning on weekends. Long-running mainstream lounge with DJs and live music on weekends. Disco and vodka lounge on Donghu Lu. Good times with DJs on weekends. Gay lounge with a decent-sized dancefloor. Pure gay circuit clubbing with a heavily local crowd of men.
Another megaclub dedicated to obscene amounts of bottle-popping and EDM. Lil' Jon played there recently. Soul, funk, and decent-priced drinks at this small club on Donghu Lu. We don't accept payment for content. Read our full editorial policy here. Please register to reserve a user name. No comments yet Want to leave one? Christopher St Cavish Sep 19, Alex Panayotopoulos Sep 12, Likewise Elastolin did some soft plastic 54mm farm people who can be used in Civil War.
Hope you recover from your surgery to get to the Plastic Warrior show on May 7 in Richmond. Do you have a site that I can send pictures to???? Very best regards Arthur Belshaw.
Sorry to hear that that the treatment will not klet you out of the house. I do not get much time to review my figures due to my other work. I hope to get up to Mike in the next two weeks. I am still working on the web site and how to do things I will let you know when to send pictures.
Arthur It looks like it will be next week before I can go and pick up your item from Mike. I am always happy to talk about plastic figures. I remember how it was in the dark ages when you could not mention you collected plasttic figures in fear of people thinking you strange. I have fun with the people I used to have that junk then I tell them what it is worth they shake their heads. When I collect I do not look at an item is worth, I go for the pose.
It goes back to my childhood when I would do stories with them. Laurie like the figures that way as well. Some of my favorite figures are worth only a few dollars. So enjoy the figures they are alot of fun. Bill Hamilton was one of the nicest guys I have ever met in this hobby. He was honest, cheerful and always fun to chat with.
His passing is a loss to all of us who remember when. Our ranks are thinning as the years roll by. My deepest sympathies to his family and friends. God bless you, Bill….. I will let you know when I get the items. I hope tp get up to Mike next week. The nice thing with email you can drop a person a line. I will email you tomorrow.
Paul, I have a photo of a space figure that may be a companion to the one you have posted. I just picked up a group of off white hard plastic knights that are marked: Thre is a mounted figure along with a Queen and a few men at arms. There is also a guy shooting a bow and arrow maybe Robin Hood? Anyone have info on these? Bill sorry I was not able to reply sooner to your question but I was in West Virginia and could not response to yopu question.
The hotel had a computer but it very untrust worthy. As you found out from the Marx Group, the figures were done by Aurora for Camelot. They were on a blister card which is hard to find. The figures are a hard plastic and are one of three groups they did.
The other two are Tarzan and Wizard of OZ. If anyone here is interested in 54 mm plastic toy soldiers and enjoys making conversions, feel free to join the group on Yahoo. We discuss reworking plastic figures and making unique poses to go along with our stock figures. Bill I have posted your request.
I enjoy conversion figures. One of the conversion figures in the collection is a Marx 60mm Pirate changed to Turkey with a spear. The best conversion I have seen was a soccer player that my very good friend Peter Evans converted into a Reinassace figure with a sword.
It sit in a honor spot in the collection. I would like to check out your conversions group. Can you walk me through the process? TD I am a member of the Conversion group, but not the owner. I have enough work this group and other projects on the line. Bill Nevins is the head of that group He should respond as he reads this site.
Hi Carolyn I do not know of a store jn New York. Perhaps one of our readers can give a suggestion. I would suggest you check your local hobby store as they should have figure sets. In November if you can get to Hackensack New Jersey the first Sunday in November there is toy soldier show with a great selection of figures at various prices. Hi William I have not heard of anyone getting the foot figures. When we do we will let you know.
Paul-I was unaware that Bill Hamilton passed away! When did this happen. DO you know why? Is this what killed him?? Hi Greg It was a great loss when Bill Hamilton pass away. He was a great guy and I enjoy talking to him when I saw him at a show. He passed away in the last few months. One of the other reader can give more details.
Not sure if you guys happened to see these on e-bay, but the Plastic Underground has come out with some new Robin Hood figures, so far there is just the four, Robin, Will Scarlet, Friar Tuck and Little John. Some may consider them a bit pricey, but they are nice and worth the trouble to take a peek. White Castle highly over rated, I have had White Castle available to me my whole life.
At one time I lived two blocks from one and in the 10 years I lived there I never went once. They were more desirable in my youth because they used to costs 12 cents for a hamburger. Ed I am not going to disagree with you on White Castle. It is something I want to try at least once.
We never had one around here and I want to see what it is all about. I have been amaze the number of cars that have been going there and it nearly three months. They have not opened the normal way in yet due the lines. Laurie and I have only a few places we like to eat. Of those places two stand out Olive Branch and Chipolte.
Olive Branch is a family run Mid Eastern restaurant that food is home made and great. Chipolte is another great place and what I like about it the food is healthy.
The beef, pork and chiken is free range and does not have the chemicals in it. I hope to get into White Castle soon so I can give you my feelings. Well, usually you either love them or hate them, they are unique, quite small by the way.
In fact, many restaurants and bars sell small burgers of their own and call them sliders which is a popular name for the White Castle burgers. I agree with you Ed. We will love them or hate them. I read a blog where you had people like them or hating them. There are people that rave about Five Guys. They think it is best thing in the world. Laurie and I are unimpressed with Five Guys.
We have tried it several times. If we were hungry and no where else was convient we would eat there. Other people would go out of their way to Five Guys. My wife and I are taking a short trip up the coast to Boothbay Harbor in early June. Are there any unique toy soldier retailers or manufacturers along the New England Coast?
George Sadly I do not know of any toy soldier shops as it is getting harder to find them. Close toy shop I would know is Hobby Bunker and I am not sure if you will be any way near close. There two sets the first is German artillery 8 in four poses and German assualt 16 figures in 8 poses. You can see them at Cts web site. I want to thank you for identifying some plastic figures for me. Your help is always greatly appreciated. You know I was thinking that if rare or hard to find figures drove price, these are some of the hardest figures to find intact and therefore should cost a bundle: There is a rumor going around that a certain famous living actor has signed a playset box and it will be raffled off at OTSN.
I hope people do not bid crazy on it. This is an a raffle, you buy tickets and they pick it out of a hat. I think it should draw considerable interest. Clint Eastwood is a class act. A buddy of mine son was getting married in Hawaii, there was a restaurant in the place where the wedding recption and someone happened to notice that Clint was there having dinner with his mother.
One of them approached Clint and asked him if he would take a picture with the bride and groom. He said sure, but first he had to walk his mother to the car. He walked his mother to the car came back and took pictures with the bride and groom and the parents.
How cool is that? Being a kid I always tried to go to a Braves game or two and one game I waited outside the locker room trying to get their autographs. He sat at a window seat and then pretended he could not get the window open.
That was the end of my hero worship, what a pair of jerks. Now my only hero is Yosemite Sam, I admire his intensity. Ed Some people are nice while others are jerks. We have met a few jerks and that turn us off to them. Others have been nice and they stay good people in our book. Just back from OTSN. Overall, I had a good show as far as sales go, I thought traffic during room trading was a little light, there were periods when traffic was heavy, but it was sporadic. The attendance at the show itself seemed lighter then last year, most dealers I talked to said they did pretty good though despite what I thought was lower attendance.
At some point I plan on buying a set of both figure sets which come in a box and are done in plastic. The tavern which I belive is an add on was really nicely done and at least the second floor was hollow whihc allows you to place figures inside.
He also had a new set of cavalry with interchangebale arms one figure carries a double barreled shotgun that he appears to be firing from his horse, this is another set I have on my buy list, somehow I got sidetracked and never got around to making the purchase.
He also had his cowboy set from the OK Corrall and they too were nicely sculpted. He also had some ancients from the new company , the name escapes me at the moment, but they were 40mm war gamming type figures, the ones I saw were painted.
A number of dealers had the Russian Revolution figures, all four sets, It seems the sculptor was at the show nad he was making the rounds selling them to the dealers. There were three boxed sets and one set set that came bagged, the bagged set comes in 54mm while the boxed sets seem to be 60mm. Mike Kutnick had a Ron Lizzorty Josie Wales custom playset box autographed by Clint Eastwood , this was raffled off on Saturday night with the proceeds going to charity.
There were three other boxes raffled off and all the original winners followed suit and auctioned off their boxes too and all the proceeds were given to the same charity. There seemed to be a lot of new metal figures at the show Andrea miniatures had a number of new sets display , one of which is a Tombstone set, very impressive. I had a good show, my sales were up from last year despite a slow Thursday and Friday. I tried something different this year I had made about conversions of Alamo defenders and Mexicans painted in playset colors, tan for the defenders and light blue for the Mexicans.
A number of people bought a handful each on Thursday and Friday, but on Saturday night one customer came in looked them over a little and said he wanted them all, at that point there were left, so this made my show.
Anyway, I had a good time at the show and making a lot of sales certainly made it a little more fun. What did you pay? I am sure you will enjoy them. Did anyone have the Pvblvs Romans?
If not Pvbluvs now has Paypal so you can order direct from Russia. I ordered four of the Roman Sets two each of set one and two.
If You have any questions you can email them at sovsold narod. Attended my first Cantigny show as a dealer. The grounds are beautiful and the museums are nice, got to see my first Abrams tank up close, massive turret , really track base, much shorter then many of the Patton tanks they have on display, but noticeably wider, very intimidating looking.
The show itself is relatively small in number of dealers, perhaps 30 tables worth, the traffic was brisk, but many of the walk throughs were mother and fathers with their children. Ed These smaller shows can be hit or miss.
Allentown Toy show which used to be great some dealers did not pay for their tables while others did great. The recent storm had an affect on it. Sometimes you can bring the best stuff and nothing will sell all day, other times you bring lesser items and they sell like hot cakes.
Ed All shows are crap shoot. If it is not that then it is the situation where as you say the cheap stuff sells while the good stuff sits. I gave up figuring a show when I did it I slap some stuff into the tubs and crss my fingers.
My birthday was actually December I have sorted not talked about it in the past. This year we went to a place and let the staff sing happy birthday to me. Earlier in the day we went to a friend to buy some items for resell and find a figure for me. I found a 54mm king figure for my collection and a Turk. I will be doing pictures on them in the next few days.
Yes, happy birthday, Paul. Incidently, I see Ed Borris from Chicago is up at 7: I thought I was the only one who did such crazy things.
Here it is — Christmas Eve — and I find myself looking at my calender to recheck whether the Michigan Toy Soldier Show next month starts at 9: Don Thank you for the birthday greetings, my birthday this year was nice. We visited a friend and went out for my birthday. This year we went to one of those places where the staff sings you Happy Birthday. In years past I would avoid these places on my birthday and go to somewhere quiet.
I am usually up around 6: The other two dogs would stay in bed longer, but not Percy so we go for walk number one. Depending if Laurie has to work or we are going somewhere, we will go back for a nap or I will get dress and check the computer.
I am checking certain web sites both toy and non-toy several times a day. They have 30mm figures available. Paul — Please send Theodore B. Hi — You can contact me at tdbarnecut at live. Please drop me a note. Here is the link again for Prince Valiant http: You will also see various conversions on the site. Marks 54mm soldiers that I played with as a child they are stashed away in my outside building of course they have been played with some are in good condition some are not but they are all org.
My question to you is what is your advise to me what to do with them I know my children will probably put them in a yard sell for a buck or 2 when im gone so would just like maybe your suggestion! My soldiers are not in their org. John Welcome, if you are not going to keep the figures, the best thing is to sell them now. You can do it on EBay or other sources. The figures do not have to be in original boxes.
If you are going to keep and enjoy then you need to set up instructions to advise your children that these items are worth money. As soon as the final plastic figures arrive I will be posting pictures of them on my twitter account.
Austin that is great to hear as many people are waiting for your new figures and they should be one of the highlights of OTS show. The four poses used by Kelloggs I have not seen in Lido packaging are; sitting shooting rifle and kneeling shooting bazooka from the early Marx combat GI series and crouching throwing grenade and sitting shooting scoped rifle from the later Marx GI series.
Obviously they did not mind reusing sculpts as they made Lido poses that had already been made for Marx. Rather than copying other companies figures I think a lot of the similarity was the mold makers cutting corners using existing sculpts. His body is in good shape and the horse can be salvaged.
Any suggestions where I might look to find this fellow a new head so that he stops chasing Ichabod Crane around the house? He said room trading was the best he had experienced in years. Lots of floor traffic. Kent Glad to hear the show is going well. We should hear more on the show later in the week.
I noticed that you skipped me in your review. I would greatly appreciate it if you would refer to me as Len, whom Jordan referred to as a Pop Culture Fanatic in the season one West Coast Wonders ep of Toy Hunter and as a master collector with deep shelves on this Halloween ep.
You could say something nice or strange or nice AND strange about my appearance and my collection if you like again greatly appreciated. Welcome Len Sorry I missed your name when reviewing the show but I can only watch the show once. I will update the review. I missed the word contract should have been contact. From what I can see you have a nice collection.
Ron Sorry I do not have that figure for sale. The hanging man is one of the hardest figures to find from the Atlantic western series. First it was not in all the boxes. Third the molds are lost or destroyed as they were shipped to Iraq. The figure comes in light gray or brown. I spoke to the guy on the King and Country stand today at the London toy show. He had examples of the new painted plastic Alamo Mexicans.
There was a gun and crew, 1 mounted figure may have been Santa Anna , and several infantry. He said they would be launched next week. There will be a command set comprising of an officer, a standard bearer and a drummer.
The figures were hard plastic and quite well painted. I hope they have a rethink and issue them unpainted, as I am sure there will be a market for them as they are very nice figures. Hope this is useful. John Thank you for letting us know about this information.
I am sure the readers will appreciated your information on these plastic figures from King and Country. I agree the price of the figures will put out of the range of most people, who are into plastic. How was the rest of the show? On page 6 you had a story on Spanish Figures dealing with the exploration of the new world. I was always fascinated with those figures and the subject in particular.
Do you still have those figures? Now that we have the internet, would it be possible for you to put up scans of these? The magazine pictures were small grainy black and white pictures of about one inch by two. I always wanted to see these in all their glory. Hello Arlin Welcome and to answer your question, yes I still have the figures.
When I saw the figures I liked them as they were so different. I have not seen any other examples of these figures since. I will get them out of the boxes and photographed in the next few days. I think you may be right. Maybe they were made for Puerto Rico. Obispo Manso, on e of the figures, was the Bishop of Puerto Rico. She tried to warn him her brother was going to kille him, which happened in an ambush.
They were buried together. Of course Ponce de Leon was a conquistador who founded the oldest settlement in Puerto Rico. Slaves were imported to work the fields alongside the remaining Tainos. No idea who Donna Lenor is.
But these may have been made for Puerto Rican gift shops for tourists? Arlin Great information on these figures, which I will take pictures today. I will look at my Spanish book and see if I can contact Juan to get more information. I will start to sale many on eBay.. Let me know what I can help in.. Glad you are back in better shape!!. Erwin Thank you for your offer to help on this question. I have to do a photo of the figures, but I am jammed with other work right now so the picture will not be done until tomorrow.
I am a big collector of Spanish figures myself. I bought a load in an auction many years ago and I have been adding on when I can. I find the figures they very interesting.
If not it will be up in a day or two. Sorry for the delay, just too much is pushing for my tiem. Ponce de Leon mother. These figures were made in Spain with many others from all the Conquest period ,more character like Pizarro and Cortez-with india Maria too were done. No for the market of Puerto Rico. Some were copied and redone on those countries. Arlin We did not broadcast about me into the hospital for various reasons. One reason I did not realize that I would be in the hospital for a week.
At the moment I am surprised the amount of water I carried and got off. I feel so much better. Thank you for your concern. You definitely were missed. Take care of yourself! Mike I wanted to keep the situation under wraps so there would not be any silly speculation from certain parties.
Also the decision to go to the hospital was made in a day. In the future I will have a device that I can do the web site when I am away from home health or otherwise. What is nice is that our hobby can have so many interests. You can just collect the old figures or you can get the new figures to enhance your stories.
Glad you enjoy the site, I try to share my passion for this hobby. As to taking care of myself, it has already started. Laurie has had us on a low sodium diet for years. I have to adjust it for example no more ham or processed meats such as deli meats. I have a number of pills to take every day. Get well — the hobby needs people with your genuine enthusiasm and appreciation of Plastic Toy Soldiers.
Al Thanks for the kind words, next to my wife and three dogs, I so love the hobby. I have seen so many interesting figures and sure I will see many more. I use to go, but like so many others we gave up on the show to find anything that we were aware of. Last great item I found was Marx Reissue playsets and that was over 30 years ago. Much of the news will surface on various sites.
One report has Revell releasing again their 54mm sets including the Accurate figures. As we get news we will pass it on. If you are into action figures go to Action Figure Insider as they getting a look at the new figures. I checked some websites for NY Toy fair News. That is all I have seen so far. Woodbury prison survivor playset coming 4th qrt from Gentle Giant.
Includes a Rick Grimes figure and 3 new Zombie sculpts. This Play Set will go along with the set including the Daryl figure coming 2nd qrt from Gentle Giant. These figures along with Hasbro Star Command could to start rebirth of figures we liked.
Also, it would be nice to see more Russo — Japanese stuff from them. Need Pre Helmet troops of all nations. French tanks and other series of British tanks. And lets go crazy gas mask wearing troops of all nations.
I just got a few cases of my new WW2 Marines air mailed. I will try and get a picture up on my website soon. I will have prototypes of 6 Japanese soldiers at the Chicago toy soldier show. The picture on the Austin website shows 8 different figures poses. Your post says 12 figs in 6 poses so were 2 poses not made and which ones or do you have different poses in the bags? Hello Brian, 2 poses of the 8 figures I have on my website will be in my next set of Marines along with 4 more new poses.
I will post on my website next week the 6 figures in set 1. My photo guy is outta town this week. Just fantasizing publicly here ,wanna get some others thoughts on this idea! Marx Captain Gallant Arabs and Legionnaires enlarged to 6 inch size, anybody know anything about copyrights on these figures? Mark In answer to your question about copyrights. You could not use the words Marx or Captain Gallant as they are trademarked and copyrighted. Also you could not do a figure of Buster Crabbe or his son unless you have permission due to a California law.
As to doing the Arabs and Legionnaires you may be able to them as there have been copies of Marx figures. You may have to do changes to the figure to avoid problems. A copyright lawyer might be needed. Doing one for yourself no problem, if thinking do them for resale you have to think other factors such as demand etc.
My daughter is spending a semester at the University of Limerick and we are going to visit her for ten days at the end of this month. I asked Ron Ruddell at London Bridge and he was not aware of any manufacturers or retailers.
He said to keep my eye out for flea markets and the like. Anyone have any thoughts? George Sorry I have no information to help you on shops in Ireland. The is a toy show in Dublin on the 23rd of September. Here is their web site.
Good luck, and let us know what you find out. Welp, got back from Ireland last evening. Nice place, pretty countryside, friendly folks, and very clean, at least what we saw. Even the cities Dublin and Cork which they pronounce kaarrrch were much cleaner than the cities here in the U.
Bad news is that Primce August appears to be the only game in town. In speaking with the proprietor of a public house one evening, I asked about toy soldiers.
We did see the real thing on the way to the airport; passed an armored personnel carrier on the highway. Does anybody know of or seen any ads for any product tie ins for the upcoming movie FURY? Any figures being released? Wondering if any of you could help me. She had a very wide stance possibly meant for horse back riding but she stood just fine and very baggy red pants that were positioned in a way that looked like they were blowing back in the wind.
She had on a white headdress that also blew back in the wind, fixed on her head by a gold? At her belt she had a small black pouch with a gold key printed on the outside.
I have no idea as to the brand. I lost her long ago but I would love to find her again. Does she ring a bell to anyone? If I even knew the brand that would be a start. Have you tried google images or ebay with any key words that might help,was it an American Indian female, were the cloths molded plastic or actual cloth,was the headdress an American Indian feather headdress?
I can try to help but it sounds pretty tough one to find! Hello, I wondering if anyone knew if there are any 54mm plastic Vietnam War toy soldiers on the market. So does anyone know of any other companies that could carry these figures. I will have photo up of the Actin Casting figures as well in my posting on East Coast toy soldier show. If the answer is no, you need to ask your child to change and let them know why they need to change. And a dress code needs to address both genders and not place blame on the other gender for distractions.
As for the sexual harassment, I am sorry that the other students and teachers did nothing to stop this.
No one should have to feel like that. Thank you for the quality and maturity of your post here. I cry bs to what you are saying! For having bodies and young men are not taught too not look at women like sexual objects. Now with that said, cost is a major issue. Same thing f or shirts that might be a little too tight, that may not be able to pay for new clothes and that is ALL they have! Yoga pants are to be worn to go to yoga. Leggings and stretch pants are to be worn to accessorize a skirt or shorts not to be worn as pant.
I repeat stretch pant are not pants!! This is a good article I agree but it is time that the stretch pants fashion disaster went away not just in schools but in public in general!! It makes NO difference if a man or a woman is wearing spandex leggings, bike shorts, yoga pants, etc. Such statements are generalities to buttress stereotypical viewpoints.
I am happily married to a woman that also wears spandex attire, She loves when I wear it, I love when she wears it. People need to respect one another, period. Whatever a person is wearing, they are not necessarily out looking for an easy,sleazy time. I have several coworkers at a factory where I work that have worn spandex leggings, capris, ,yoga pants, and so on.
Not once have I said or done anything that was inappropriate. No touching, no nasty remarks, no sexual references or comments about having sex with them.
I have only looked at them, and that is all. The ladies look very attractive. I keep myself and my thoughts under control, and show respect for the people wearing it to work. People should wear what they want to wear. Hopefully, people will exercise some self-control when they dress. Whether they do or do not, it is up to each one of us to show that same control when interacting with anyone, however they may or may not be dressed.
What works for you may not work for someone else at all. Teach and learn discipline, respect, and self-control. Then situations will improve. As I type this, I am wearing a pair of Nashbar cycling thermal tights, which I have worn out in public before, and will again. Keep yourselves in control of your life, and never you mind about mine. Sadly there are young women that DO wear very little clothing, or skin tigjt pants in order to attract attention, and as a mother of all boys, I think a little dress code enforcement is great.
Granted young men need to relax on the cat calling, fine, but I must argue that young women do the same exact things. I am also the mother of two boys who managed to grow up to be gentlemen who respect women, can work well with women, know how to control their language and are respectful human beings — despite being hounded by oversexed girls throughout high school.
This is NOT a one-sided problem. I am a teacher and have had boys ask for my help as they ask how to deal with a letter, note, email, or text full of sexually explicit offers from girls who dress as sexy as they possibly can. It is a new generation and more of the sexual catcalls are coming from girls. The two picture at the top…neither of them are yoga pants…or at the least the kind the school and the rest of the world refer to. The same as if a guy went to school shirtless or with shorts too short.
I think modesty is important, but still kind of an odd thing. What is considered modest at a swimming pool or gym, is immodest the moment you step inside a public place. We need to look out for others. In high school at Billings Senior High I knew a kid who wore shorts that he could stick his dick out of and no one said anything. Mine are flares that are basically knit slacks.
I totally agree with you. I hate this idea that women have to be responsible for the way men act. Let me play the other side. How many boys have you seen called out for their clothing? I mean, those boys that wear tank tops and tight t-shirts, they are so distracting to girls. And those boys that wear the super tight jeans that basically show everything they own.
What are we doing about them? Because we hold our girls to a completely different standard than we do our boys.
I have a large backside, despite not being a very big girl. I have two choices in pants, swimming in the waist but fits in the backside, or fits at the waist, but a bit snug on the backside. I always go with the larger size and a belt. Because I hate going out and being ogled and cat-called because my pants actually fit my butt or because my V-Neck shows a tiny bit of cleavage. What the hell am I supposed to do? Dressing conservatively ever stopped a damn thing. Once I had a guy hit my backside, but his hand when further than that.
It was probably half butt-half crotch. So I punched him. I just turned and swung instinctively. But I had had enough. I was not going to take one more hit. In my rage I called him every name I could think of. And suddenly, I was a crazy bitch.
I was the problem, I had over-reacted. I was at a bar with my friends, what did I expect? This has got to stop. It stops when we raise our voices. It stops when we say, I am not going to take another hit.
When my daughter was 15 we were at a church function in the summer. My daughter, along with several other girls, were wearing tank tops. They were appropriate and covered their bodies. Unfortunately, not everyone saw it that way. My daughter was very well endowed at 15 and a female parent came over and told her she needed to cover up and made my daughter come with her to get a t-shirt.
Not one other girl was embarrassed like that. She never went to another extra curricular function at church after that. What was it about?? We as people need to impress to children and everyone in our life that no one… I mean no one is asking to be hurt.. Physically, mentally, emotionally, or sexually. No person ever deserves to be hurt!!!!! Like sweats Just my opinion.
This is a good article. No matter what someone wears wr as adults who are molding these minds need. So to disrespect them or point them out in front of their peers is totally degrading. This is why we have teen suicides, abuse or whatever. These kids have not had to learn to respect each other no matter whAt they wear or look like.
Lets teach our boys to respect that girl who is wearing a skirt a few more inches higher than her knees. Lets teach them to look at her ad a woman and not a piece of meat. Boys will be boys. So we do know they will have and will be a little more sexual than necessary. But if we teach them to respect each other then maybe no matter what someone wears they show them the respect they deserve.
I had the same experience a couple of years ago with my daughter, who was in the 6th grade. She wore one of those outfits you see in the stores, that has the stretchy pants and a baby doll type long shirt.
She wore it to school and they sent her home because they said it looked like tights and a short dress. So the cheerleading outfits are mini skirts and belly shirts, but a girl wears a pair of stretchy pants with a long shirt that covers her bottom and the latter of the two is inappropriate?
Mind you, they also sent her home because her locker door got caught on the bottom of her pants leg and made a small hole near her shin.
They also said this was inappropriate because there was a hole in her jeans that showed skin. Yup you heard that right, shin skin is indecent as well apparently.
This article really hits home with me! If any of the boys in her school did half of the things you describe in your high school experience I would be appalled and take it up with the school, as well as their parents. Women should be respected and cherished at all ages, no matter what, because they are Gifts from God. I had a similar experience.
High school was a daily gauntlet of ass-grabbing, pinching, rude jokes and gestures. The teachers did nothing to stop it and one encouraged it. I graduated high school in I thought we had come a lot further, but your post suggests otherwise. I want to start by saying that I fully support and sympathize with your experience in High School regarding dress code and the way your school staff handled it.
The events that you described were completely inappropriate. And no, I could not tell the difference. But as a school staff member myself, I can attest to the fact that not everyone understands what it means to wear clothes how they were meant to be worn. Take these pictures for example: But not everyone does. If you know me at all, which most of you reading this probably do not, you would know that I support individualism and the unique qualities and styles of others more than most.
I, myself, do not conform to satisfy the masses. Which leads to my one and only important point here: Schools are environments meant to mold and shape the young people of our future. These students are expected to learn and follow rules set by the institutions they attend, preparing them for life after graduation.
Not everyone is going to be lucky enough to work from home like you. But the fact of the matter is, life outside of high school is full of rules and codes. I totally felt the same way about the pictured yoga pants but could not put it into words. The pictured yoga pants are not a good example of how revealing and immodest yoga pants can be.
I think most would agree that both of these pictures are appropriate and professional. Kelly — thank you. The real world has rules. Sometimes they even call them laws. The real world has jobs with dress codes. I really like this article. It really shows how ladies are being treated from the guys. Very pleased someone spoke up about it! Thank you for sharing your story with the world. No one could ever separate me from my style of clothing but myself.
I agree with Tanner Rienhart that these students are learning how to dress appropriately to prepare for the work force. The one thing you have to remember is that this could be a whole lot worse.
I remember high school with you as all the popular kids treating the band nerds, art nerds, and nerd nerds like garbage. Trying to start fights with us or calling us names in the hallways and locker rooms. I work in Salt Lake, Utah. Mormon capital of the world. Our states dress code is way harsher than probably any in the country. The rule is sleeves and to the knees. No tank tops, no skirts, no pajamas, no leggings, no holes in the pants above the knee, no bandanas, and no hats.
Camis need to be worn under V neck shirts. Your dress has to be to your knee or you have to go home and get leggings. Girls have jackets, shawls, or straps added to there dress. Since I have been in this environment now you 7 years it is interesting to see with these rules the students treat each other better.
I am so glad my students are not treated the way I was back in school. I so agree with you! Preparing for the real world — and students DO act differently toward each other and toward adults depending upon the way they dress. Reading your article made me think of America like the arabic world… strange, uh?
The US generally is Victorian in its prudishness about bodies, because of our history. I will take the middle road here. I think that schoolgirls and boys including at the college level should dress with a certain level of decorum. It will help them to be taken more seriously than otherwise…..
Once I started to buy things to fit, I was so much more comfortable, and I look better too. All of the same things apply to boys and men. These things are preparation for operating in the real world, workplaces, coming under the full extent of the laws of the nation, etc. It is likewise unacceptable to single out girls who are genetically endowed with certain assets that draw attention…. So to sum up, kids need to respect themselves and others by wearing appropriate clothing in schools and workplaces, school is a workplace for many, so those rules do apply.
Sexual harassment is against the law for workplaces, and other laws about education. Catcalls, sexual comments, groping, inappropriate touching and clandestine discussions about a particular person are sexual harassment.
Boys and Girls may learn this at home, but honestly, teens learn more from peers than their parents about sex and behavior. Parents can do alot up to the teenage years, but our best chance of success is for parents, teachers and social contacts like church activities, sports teams and youth groups to enforce a standard of behavior.
No one gets excused from the responsibility of teaching children to be adults. And honestly, the respect and dignity of schoolmates is not acceptable collateral damage in order to have a good sports team. I would argue that a good sports team teaches respect for others, good sportsmanship and other admirable qualities. A good sports team does not trash talk, disrespect others, places team performance above socially acceptable behavior.
When a school or coach excuses illegal behavior, they are condoning sexual harassment and deeper offenses and open themselves to be included in the sexual harassment lawsuit. And I work in a very casual, hip office environment where i can wear jeans every day, even out to see clients, as long as i look polished.
Do you need to go home? Sounds like your alma mater has the dress code thing all backwards, and I agree with your main points here.
But I actually think dress codes that teach and encourage professional dress are smart policies for a school forming our students, who will become our next workforce. If ALL schools required uniforms, they could then focus on behavior. When a member of either gender misbehaves, the school deal with it appropriately. Until your school requires you to wear black doc martins.
I graduated last year from a school in upstate South Carolina. They have pretty much the exact same dress code, and I never personally found it a problem because I knew the dress code actually helped.
Most girls, and guys, would go to school in clothes that were totally fine, but then there were people that I was shocked that their parent had let them out of the house. In a way, high school is just getting you ready to work.
Also, anything that is a violation to the dress code was always enforced on the guys too. Katelyn — what an excellent response from a young person who sees the logic of the dress code and the fact that it is and should be unbiased. That has nothing to do with yoga pants being dangerous. I agree with your comments that women should not be punished because of the way their bodies effect men.
Men are, contrary to popular belief, capable of self control and should be expected to exhibit such at all times. To imply otherwise with vague notions that girls are to distracting with their clothing is extremely insulting to the gender as a whole.
However, yoga pants are not acceptable attire at school or work. They are unprofessional to wear and both environments should be professional in appearance and decorum. If I misread your stance on where yoga pants should be acceptable, I apologize. An attractive woman should not be blamed or punished for generating sexual thoughts in a man. These thoughts are natural and will occur. Women should respect themselves and be proud of their femininity. However, if a woman has respect for herself and the men and women around her, she would not purposely do things to try and generate lustful feelings.
She would even take steps in attempt to impede such thoughts and feelings. There is no clear line of what is appropriate and what is not. Most people would agree that naked is inappropriate and that turtle necks are very safe, but there will always be differing views for the gray area in the middle.
What is most important is the principle. The principle is 1 love and 2 respect. This is a lie. The devil is very cunning and has convinced millions. He has even convinced the women themselves. He makes them think that this is where their only worth lies. Their worth lies in their individuality and uniqueness. Each woman has her own personal talents and interests. It is true there is beauty in the body as well. An example of this is the miracle of procreation.
Parents need to teach their children at a young age to respect themselves for who they are whether they be male or female. They need to teach their children to respect those around them no matter if they may be different.
The more love in the world, the less lust there will be. Purposeful modesty is a manifestation of love. Purposeful explicitness is a manifestation of lust. What kind of woman would want to facilitate and support lustful thoughts? A woman who lacks respect for herself and the men around her. However, many women do not purposefully dress immodestly and many do not have the intention to promote lust.
Many do it because they may lack insight, be feeling apathetic, are naïve to the principles behind their actions, or some other reason out of a million. Nonetheless, there is not one excuse that is more important than good principles. The woman who wrote this article wants nothing more than a pity party thrown for her.
She is nowhere saying that yoga pants are universally acceptable in the workplace. I also wear similar things when I work at home. At the office, I am business casual and fairly conservatively so, since I work in finance and found it easier to have just a simple formula for getting dressed.
And I can think of several ways that someone could die or be killed with yoga pants, so the argument that they are not dangerous is not really defensible. This was amazingly written! I read it just as our Middle School has decided to ban Yoga pants. I have 5 daughters who are also dancers.
I have shared this to my Facebook page with the hopes that others in our area will see and share it as well. I have read through several of these posts, and I see what everyone is saying.
I happen to be a man, and I have always had a difficult time not gawking just a little at a woman wearing yoga pants. Is it my responsibility to control where I look? And I do a pretty good job of it. But it takes a great deal of mental and emotional exertion to always have to keep beating down my inner cave-man, and a little help from the women out there would be nice. Not something I want my daughters to have to deal with.
I have also noticed that some women dress to show off their bodies in an effort to attract men. I wonder whether this stems from an insecurity that they will be able to attract them otherwise. Bottom line is this: I teach my daughters that they can show others that they respect themselves by dressing modestly. Now about banning these kinds of pants in school. If educators have noticed that this type of clothing is causing distractions in the classroom, then I feel that we should support them.
Get off their backs and let them do their jobs. Oh, and to label those of us who feel this way in the same sentence with Islamic extremeists is unfair, absurd, and downright rude in the extreme. Thank you and God bless you for recognizing that if educators have seen the distraction firsthand that detracts from learning, that parents should be supportive of that. That is the only bottom line here. I graduated from high school last year and I had a similar experience.
I was wearing a shirt that completly covered my chest and stomach but heaven for bid my shoulders were showing!! I was sitting in the front of the class and my teacher who was also a girl! Yelled from her desk that she would not start class until I went home and and changed… I was appelled!! With me and my big mouth I stood up for myself and said I came to class for a reason.. Obliviously it did not work.. I felt more harassed by the teachers than I did the students..
And after she did that in front of the class I got so many comments from students like oh Kelsey cover up your shoulders their turning me on.. Well Carmelo, you are certainly correct about one thing: Please bare in mind that the school system is another place for children and teenagers to learn to abide to rules to prepare them for their professional job.
I have a dress code at work where I wear scrubs, a gait belt, and a name tag. If I am seen without these items, I am required to return home and receive no pay for the day. I respect the need to advocate for ourselves when the timing is right, when there is no other substitution.
But there are substitutions to yoga pants — there are jeans, shorts, maxi dresses, skirts, etc. Not only should schools be setting dress codes, as should parents.
When my kids step out that door, I ensure that they look respectable and follow the guidelines by the school. Their education is free, so why cause a ruckus over a piece of clothing. Rather than my kids being worried about what they wear, I remind them to focus on bigger pictures like, learning how to balance their checkbook and being attentive to their chores and responsibilities to prepare them for an adult life.
Amen — this is such a ridiculous issue to cause a big scene at school over. If kids are sexually harassing each other — that is a different matter. If you want your kids to wear yoga pants or pajamas all day — then get a license and home school them. This is so spot on! Watch as another female blatantly over exaggerates something in a dramatic story about how she thinks women are being oppressed. This is fucking retarded, go home feminazi.
Not once was I told they where to distracting, how can yoga pants lower guys test scores. In class guys where paying attention to the teacher not staring at girls leggings and yoga pants. I was also in stage Crew and for show nights we had to wear all black and the senior show was always right after school. I am so happy to have read this! What always fired me up was the girls standing behind me were the popular girls and the favorites and had something wayyy worse on, showing their friggin butt!
Either way, I love what you said here. Thank you for writing! I was wondering if you feel there is a line we would consider inappropriate to cross when it comes to dress. No one would think it was reasonable to wear a bikini to class … etc. I have attended a school with a ridiculous dress code before, but do not consider myself a Christian. I agree with most of this article, but to say girls clothing has no impact whether or not a guy thinks about sex is just being naïve.
I admit they are going overboard in your situation with banning yoga pants. I remember in one of my my high school s they only enforced the dress rules for some students. Others were allowed to walk in pajamas and see through t-shirts and g-strings showing because the jeans were too low and bras showing or worse boobs popping out left and right.
I was ashamed to go to a school such as that. Only dress code they forbade had something to do with various gang color combinations, which I can tell you I had no clue which gang color combinations we were not allowed because no formal information dress code packet made it to my parents. And I was NOT in any gang. I just went to school to learn, and I dressed appropriately as I saw.
Maybe because as an immigrant to the US I grew up in a different country with beliefs where going to school in wrinkled things was not appropriate and where wearing pajamas was only intended for bedtime. I understand your point of how the administration is pressuring the girls and making them feel as a target. In another school that did not put any emphasis and dress code and in my opinion students dressed appropriately I was sexually harassed by other male students.
I did not wear tight clothing nor did I show any skin ever. Therefore it is true that clothing has low influence over how students behave. What is worse I had nobody to report the abuse to. If I had an option for home schooling I would have chosen it. I felt that my grades suffered dramatically because of this.
I think parents should educate their children first as they are growing up that they need to respect each other. School should contribute to education but not be the first source of it. Where is the respect? Where are proper manners? Girls are not sex objects. They are people too. No, girls should not dress like nuns unless they wish to be nuns — there is nothing wrong with that but bearing it all out there does not give feminism any proper power. Ashley, read this on the Billings Gazette today, and just had to tell you what a super article this was and super well-written.
Oh, it gets even worse in South Dakota. There is a school here that banned yoga pants and other specific items because they are a distraction to the teachers! No, not the other students, the teachers!!! Something is just wrong with this.
Actually it is a distraction to the teachers. Save it for the clubs, school is a professional setting. Up in my school, they try to hide the bullshit by spreading the dress code to boys as well. When does it go from enforcing a rule to completely manipulating the bodily image of young female students according to a warped social standpoint that encourages disrespect? Skyview, unfortunately, has definitely crossed that line. At this age, students are more than capable of deciding how they are comfortable dressing, regardless of any gender-biased opinions…and they should not be getting punished and harassed for it!
The majority of yoga pants you see today make it look like the girls are walking around half naked! Relaxed-fit yoga pants are another story. This is something that should start being taught by the parents in the home.
Self — respect is also important as well as self worth. To be honest, i enjoy yoga pants and it sounds like you do too… but like you said, you wear them at home not in the hallways of a high school. They reveal a lot and admit it, guys are wired differently than we are. Why wave something in their face constantly, something that you know is sometimes is their weakness? I know that is getting a little far fetched but really… they have to draw the line some where.
Obviously clothing styles have changed since then and yoga pants are practically painted on cloth that shows every line contour and curve. Might as well not wear pants at all… Why are people so against having a few guidelines and rules that they have to follow?! This article scares me because it brings out alot of pent up feelings I have.
Growing up, I developed much faster than other girls in my class. I also remember older men and guys giving me alot of attention when I was young.
The issue not only resides within this highschool, but nationally. We need to teach our young men to respect women and not cross boundaries. We can continue to blame the victim, but this will only allow the problem to grow. I loved your article, on a lot of points you were dead on.. And you should have never had to experience any of those things in school. You are right that women are being sexualized at extremely young ages.
Great article, loved reading it. I agree that banning yoga pants is absolutely absurd! Her problem was that she was VERY tall with really long legs! She would wear the same shorts that everyone else was wearing acceptable dress code attire but get called out in front if everyone for her shorts being too short!
Just because she had a lot more leg showing!
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